Chat History with ICT4D Chat: Empowering Nigeria (#wayan_vota/$c1f8104e9f3c3051)

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Wayan Vota: 15:58:14

Thanks for logging into the Skype Chat on Nigerian Internet Business Opportunities. We'll start the chat promptly at 6pm Lagos time on Friday, March 26th.  See you then.

Kaya Errands and Delivery services: 17:12:26

its a date

Kaya Errands and Delivery services: 17:13:00

which state are u in @wayan

2010-03-26

Wayan Vota: 10:20:34

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Wayan Vota: 10:21:57

Welcome to the Skype Chat on Nigerian Internet Business Opportunities. We will start promptly at 6pm Lagos time today.  See you then.

possicon: 12:24:09

Hello house!

Sheriff Shittu: 12:24:31

You are all welcome.. I hope we can learn something and develop an actionable steps today!

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:24:51

hi all

Sheriff Shittu: 12:25:22

My Name is Sheriff Shittu, CEO of Webtrendsng.com

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:26:54

i'm a nigerian web developer living in italy

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:27:02

Gbenga Olagbaju

Sheriff Shittu: 12:27:31

Welcome Gbenga

Anibe Agamah: 12:27:45

Hi this is Anibe Agamah from London

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:27:58

ciao

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:29:25

Mr. Sheriff, a question

Sheriff Shittu: 12:29:37

ok..

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:30:27

please can you please briefly inform me about Nigerian web Agencies standards

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:30:42

the market

Sheriff Shittu: 12:31:27

wen you mean agencies... do you mean; web dev companies?

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:31:33

yep

Saji Ijiyemi: 12:32:12

guys...is it already started?

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:32:27

what?

Saji Ijiyemi: 12:32:44

ICT4D?

Sheriff Shittu: 12:33:32

the industry is grown and it's amongst the most widely known web services related services

Sheriff Shittu: 12:33:58

when I say grown I mean in terms of awareness compare to others

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:34:13

great, but as for quality in graphics

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:34:38

what i've been seeing is a little bit low standard

Sheriff Shittu: 12:34:52

yea

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:34:54

and not only in graphics

Sheriff Shittu: 12:35:00

they've got class

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:35:25

sorry, you misundersood

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:35:36

i mean the quality is low

Sheriff Shittu: 12:36:12

yea.. despite low quality everywhere i must confess there are extremely talented designers too

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:36:35

that's for sure

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:37:10

but i'm desperately looking for some good web firms

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:37:33

can you list some?

Sheriff Shittu: 12:37:43

sure

Sheriff Shittu: 12:39:34

http://techimpactwebs.com

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:43:14

great stuff

Sheriff Shittu: 12:43:38

yea!

Anibe Agamah: 12:44:26

may i also recommend: <a href="http://www.urbannetfibre.com/">http://www.urbannetfibre.com/</a>

Sheriff Shittu: 12:45:27

there are really cool designers in Nigeria but most ppl (cos they dont appreciate it yet) dont wanna pay their prices

Anibe Agamah: 12:46:49

yeah, i agree Sheriff

Anibe Agamah: 12:47:10

it's still see largely as a hobby rather than a profession

Anibe Agamah: 12:47:16

*seen largely

Sheriff Shittu: 12:48:04

lolz

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:49:00

this is my latest creation

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:49:02

http://www.nigerianrome.org/

Lincoln Gbenga Olagbaju: 12:52:15

will like to hear your feedback pls

San Ng: 12:52:59

cool, thanks, Wayan!

Wayan Vota: 12:53:02

Hello everyone - I am Wayan Vota, organizer of this chat

Wayan Vota: 12:53:15

if you hear of anyone having problems trying ot get into the chat, give them this link

Wayan Vota: 12:53:15

skype:?chat&blob=VHEQKldx_FeyIlg4tohnZ6WDcTeLsKo_TsQXV0JqriLqWb1Wj_GHM401NbEE_XEQENfxaLvrWPPZw0eyCL5MHyL_1lFOqSD3-_I63ohs_QkpvQ9Ht5JtwA8l4ULjs9SLlQoLkgG4-qyuWyQwLqy9lAs

Wayan Vota: 12:53:35

It seems that Skype sent out a new WinXP upgrade that has issues with Skype Public Chat

Wayan Vota: 12:53:54

and for those that have the new version of Skype XP, they need to use this link to get in:

Wayan Vota: 12:53:55

skype:?chat&blob=VHEQKldx_FeyIlg4tohnZ6WDcTeLsKo_TsQXV0JqriLqWb1Wj_GHM401NbEE_XEQENfxaLvrWPPZw0eyCL5MHyL_1lFOqSD3-_I63ohs_QkpvQ9Ht5JtwA8l4ULjs9SLlQoLkgG4-qyuWyQwLqy9lAs

Saji Ijiyemi: 12:54:51

Hi Wayan, thanks for the link

Sheriff Shittu: 12:54:51

welcome Wayan

Saji Ijiyemi: 12:55:35

I guess the discussion has already started... Any format or topic of focus?

San Ng: 12:56:11

Hi Saji, no it hasn't- we're just announcing the updated link

Saji Ijiyemi: 12:56:22

ok.

deji_adepoju: 12:56:38

ADEPOJU Ayodeji-Firstoption, Port Harcourt Nigeria

12 FJ Cava: 12:59:45

Hello, I'm FJ Cava, Business Support Manager with Inveneo Inc. in San Francisco, CA, USA

Sheriff Shittu: 13:00:07

welcome FJ

San Ng: 13:00:16

Hi FJ!

12 FJ Cava: 13:00:44

Thank you

Dejo Fabolude: 13:00:49

Hello?

Loy Okezie: 13:01:08

Hi Sherrif, Hi FJ

Sheriff Shittu: 13:01:59

welcome Loy

12 FJ Cava: 13:02:25

Hey Loy

Wayan Vota: 13:03:59

Hello Everyone!  Welcome to the Nigerian Internet Buisness Opprotunity Skype Chat

Anibe Agamah: 13:04:11

Hi everyone

shola: 13:04:15

Hello Guys

Loy Okezie: 13:04:17

Hi all

Dejo Fabolude: 13:04:22

Hello

Sheriff Shittu: 13:04:32

welcome Dejo

deji_adepoju: 13:04:35

Thanks, Hi to all

Dejo Fabolude: 13:04:59

hello Possicon, Wayan, Loy, ALL...

San Ng: 13:05:04

Hi everyone, San here- ICT4Law, UC Berkeley and Asia Foundation Associate

Sheriff Shittu: 13:05:18

You're welcome everyone... this is Possicon. CEO Webtrendsng.com I believe we can define an action steps from our meeting today...to see possibilities!

Loy Okezie: 13:05:51

Hi everyone, I'm Loy Okezie, founder of Startups Nigeria.

Wayan Vota: 13:06:02

To give everyone a bit of background - this chat came about when I suggested that Kenya (or even Ghana) has passed Nigeria in ICT - that Nigeria lost the lead in ICT innovation in Africa

Chloe Feinberg: 13:06:10

Hi everyone

Wayan Vota: 13:06:49

Loy, Possicon, Dej, and David challeneged me and each other on this idea - all of us beleive Nigeria -should- be leading in Internet Business Opporunities

Dejo Fabolude: 13:07:11

I'm Dejo Fabolude. I Write the blog Digital Crossings. It used to focus on IT from the perspective of the non-IT person but now I have broadened the scope to most things IT, but still with a focus on relevance to the Nigerian and African experience

Chloe Feinberg: 13:07:16

Welcome to the first ICT4D skype chat, I'm excited we are using skype and expect a great conversation will take place

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:07:32

Nigeria shoudl be leading but we did not make ourself visible enough

Wayan Vota: 13:07:44

but we all know the many reasons why business opporunities are not so great in Nigeria.  Let us not focus on the negative though today - let us focus on the positive!

Wayan Vota: 13:08:11

With that, we have the first question for us to discuss today:

shola: 13:08:13

Shola Akinlade - Co Founder / User Experience Analyst  - Precurio

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:08:32

Thats right Wayan...this should be a forum to discuss way forward, not why it was backward

Dejo Fabolude: 13:08:58

so what's the question?

Wayan Vota: 13:09:02

1. What are the online business opportunities in Nigeria?

Wayan Vota: 13:09:45

- what do you see as new businesses? - new opportunities with existing businesses? - ways we can Make Money (not whine about not making it)

JuJu: 13:10:41

hi, i'm wilfred wright (that's my skype name - the  latest version of skype for windows does not work with public chats, so'im using my partners). I work with the african virtual school (online school for africa).

Dejo Fabolude: 13:11:25

I read a lot of the American Tech Press, and a lot of what they focus on is social/entertainment solutions. In Nigeria, there is a lot more utility computing that is needed.

Wayan Vota: 13:12:09

Utility?  I think Facebook is a utility!

San Ng: 13:12:21

I've heard that computer training, internet cafes, and call centers are saturated in Nigeria, es Lagos- is that true?

deji_adepoju: 13:12:37

Practically, all major activities that we engaged in today, from Online Studies, to agric extension programme where current tech can be shared online. as in indonasia

Loy Okezie: 13:12:53

@talk2san - That's very correct

Wayan Vota: 13:12:58

Dejo, Loy - what do you think?

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:13:03

1. In answering 1. I will suggest we focus on solutions fior sectors

Dejo Fabolude: 13:13:06

Yes, but a lot of it is pretty much the facebook chat thing.

Sheriff Shittu: 13:13:10

@deji yes.

Sheriff Shittu: 13:13:27

@san ng yes!

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:13:37

All what we are doing offline today can havei online equivalents

Dejo Fabolude: 13:13:40

for instance i recently finished an online masters at UoL. online education would be great for Nigerians who have to work while studyinh

Dejo Fabolude: 13:14:04

then ecommerce.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:14:09

social mobilisation.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:14:14

financial management

deji_adepoju: 13:14:17

our educational institution, Polytechnic,university do not have capacity to accomodate all students, so we look towards the western world and india for online studeies.

San Ng: 13:14:21

How about outsourced webdesign and development? Lots of outsourcing opportunities from the US/UK- designers charge about $75/hour here but outsource their work to India, Phillippines, etc for a fraction (check out elance.com)

Sheriff Shittu: 13:14:31

well.. looking at business opportunities for nigeria; web services, ecommerce, epayment etc

Loy Okezie: 13:14:34

I tend to agree with Dej. There's a lot happening in the entertainment industry right now

12 FJ Cava: 13:14:43

Question: So if "computer training, internet cafes, and call centers are saturated" per San, is the quality there and should the saturation of the market mean different business opporunitites?  Like maintenance, repair, educating the poputlation on usage, etc?

JuJu: 13:14:45

@dejo - my startup is in the online education space

Dejo Fabolude: 13:14:49

I don't see why Unilag ventures or it's like can't have a full online program

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:15:09

@San Ng...To outsource, the workforce need to be trianed 1st..I will assume

Dejo Fabolude: 13:15:21

the UoL i referred to, University of Liverpool Online, has a faculty made up of lectureres from all over the world.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:15:34

Unilag online can have a similar scheme

12 FJ Cava: 13:15:50

Personally I've tried online educatoin and it's hard.

12 FJ Cava: 13:16:05

Tough to learn that way (personally)

Sheriff Shittu: 13:16:12

Online studies is good... one thing i think is still holding them down is not far fetch... nepa, cost of broadband and general learning (by institutions) of viability of the medium

San Ng: 13:16:15

(side story: when the .ng first came out, I tried to see if I can register for san.ng (my name) but found out the registering a domain name in Nigeria can be a l.o.n.g process))

Dejo Fabolude: 13:16:24

Hey, can we have some kind of list of the nigerian start up entrepreneurs in this conversation?

Sheriff Shittu: 13:17:03

Possion, Loy, Dejo Adebowale...

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:17:06

@FJ  Cava, online education is the future...

Dejo Fabolude: 13:17:33

Another thing that has to be the Nigerian experience right now for visibility and profitability is that online needs to be tied to offline.

Sheriff Shittu: 13:17:37

online education is sure the future but that really is one aspect of potentials of the internet

deji_adepoju: 13:17:41

take a look at "noun"-nigerian open university..., still far away from india, that serve as case study for NOUN.

Wayan Vota: 13:17:42

@San.Ng, I know of a .NG registrar who can get you that domain

Dejo Fabolude: 13:17:42

bricks and clicks as it were

Adebowale Ojo: 13:17:47

@Uni of Ife advertised an online programe once, after series of follow up, I had to ket go

San Ng: 13:18:15

@Wayan- that would be GREAT! I actually thought that there was only ONE guy in charge of registering...

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:18:22

I'm here peeps. :-)

Sheriff Shittu: 13:18:30

some of the biggest money makers online are not online education...

Dejo Fabolude: 13:18:30

I did look at NOUN, but I didn't see enough info on how it actually works.

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:18:31

@Wayan, will you mind sharing that registrar with all?

San Ng: 13:18:45

re: online education- what is the demand for? What kind of edicatuon, and who would be the target?

Wayan Vota: 13:18:55

sure will share .ng registrar as soon as I rember who it is

Dejo Fabolude: 13:19:14

@San post graduate right now.

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:19:15

I hope I have not missed the juicy part.

Michael Downey: 13:19:26

Hi everyone - Michael Downey from OpenMRS & Indiana University joining late from a PEPFAR meeting, sorry about my tardiness.

12 FJ Cava: 13:19:27

re: online education, I think it's only affective, like with anythign else online, when it has an offline part to it.  Online only doesn't last.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:19:37

if the initial focus is on local development. have only nigerian students, but a worldwide faculty

deji_adepoju: 13:19:41

potential student can be firstdegree holders, who need for studeies and research.

JuJu: 13:19:49

@san - we target students who are looking for an alternative qualification

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:19:59

I took a whole online communication course in  Sweden with students from all over the globe, it was an awesome expereience

Dejo Fabolude: 13:20:07

@Juju can you post your url?

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:20:12

..using moodle

JuJu: 13:20:27

@dejo - www.africanvirtualschool.com

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:20:32

Are we gonna voice chat?

Loy Okezie: 13:20:33

Hi Michael

Dejo Fabolude: 13:20:43

i'll check it out.

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:21:06

The people in this forum could come up with a solution and work together to design online programs for sschools in Nigeria

San Ng: 13:21:13

Hey Michael! No problem- welcome!

Dejo Fabolude: 13:21:30

sure. THe mention of moodle leads me to my pet beef.

Adebowale Ojo: 13:21:39

@ Dejo, don't you think there's a mentality in Nigeria that if you don't sit in the four walls of a University, u've actually not attended a University, more so how many of our dons are interested in attending to their students online?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:21:41

I see too many social networking clones.

JuJu: 13:21:52

@afribuilder - we have a online english revision component for  senior secondary students

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:22:21

@jumoke, that is a great start...

Dejo Fabolude: 13:22:31

I think a bigger opportunity is to use the APIs to build something on top of these platforms rather than copy them.

Sheriff Shittu: 13:22:55

@dejo gr8 point there!

Anibe Agamah: 13:23:10

on elearning, i think theres a limit to the type of training that can be delivered online

Sheriff Shittu: 13:23:15

can we explore other business opportunities in Nigeria other than online education

Sheriff Shittu: 13:23:16

?

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:23:31

@Dejo...I am not a tech pro but what the school in stockholm did with moodle is amazing, it's a whole school on the computer

Anibe Agamah: 13:23:44

some education just needs to be hands on

Dejo Fabolude: 13:23:58

moodle is an open source education system. you can build anything on it.

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:24:02

@Sheriff...every economic sector can be explored

Loy Okezie: 13:24:11

@Anibe - I share the same thoughts

Anibe Agamah: 13:24:37

one area i personally wud like to see developed is mobile payments

San Ng: 13:24:49

@Dejo, @Saji- Moodle is the best educaitonal CMS, I advise folks not to design something from scratch in 2010

Sheriff Shittu: 13:24:50

looking really at an online business that can change the world... it really have to solve a problem.. expecially locally

JuJu: 13:25:00

@anibe - good idea

Anibe Agamah: 13:25:03

mobile in big in nigeria, i see an opportunity for ecommerce to kick off using mobile credits

Sheriff Shittu: 13:25:12

yea

Wayan Vota: 13:25:16

Anibe - can you send credits to others?

12 FJ Cava: 13:25:21

Question:  Do you think these other small business channels for growth haevn't been able to be exploited because of Macro-Factors like, governance, world economics, or are they do to micro-factors like, not know how to exploit them and education?

Wayan Vota: 13:25:30

could mobile credits be a m-payment system?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:25:39

got lost in the back channel

deji_adepoju: 13:25:49

Government activities is another oppourtunity, for example, you need to visit Abuja or send someone, to get some activities done.

Joel Patenaude: 13:25:49

I've just joned -- lat - sorry

Anibe Agamah: 13:25:49

Wayan, i know some networks like MTN have means of sending credit

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:25:50

The greatest question is? How will Nigerians transact online with low-speed internet?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:25:55

one biz that has promise in multiple sectors is info aggregation.

JuJu: 13:25:57

@wayan - yes.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:25:57

news

Dejo Fabolude: 13:26:00

blogs

Sheriff Shittu: 13:26:01

@anibe likewise zain

San Ng: 13:26:04

What is the IT skill level in Nigeria? How much per hour for web develoment? Lotsa people here hiring (especially for Ruby programmers) remotely

Anibe Agamah: 13:26:19

dont know the details, anyone know anything in this regard?

Loy Okezie: 13:26:20

Welcome, Joel

Anibe Agamah: 13:26:28

Thanks Sheriff

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:26:31

Hi Peeps.

deji_adepoju: 13:26:36

so-that can be a challenge, converter many of the document submission and processing to online.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:26:38

there's a guy that aggregated multiple airline flight information onto one site for comparison. really cool

Sheriff Shittu: 13:26:46

but really... the key to ecomerce growth is payment..

Wayan Vota: 13:26:53

@dejo http://kayak.com ??

shola: 13:27:02

@Dejo do you have the airline site??

JuJu: 13:27:05

@possicon - very true

Dejo Fabolude: 13:27:11

@San. Yes. Don't rebuild. use opensource. build on top of platforms.

Loy Okezie: 13:27:29

@Saji - I think Glo-1 and Main-1 will sort that

Wayan Vota: 13:27:29

on payment - PayPal is in SA now, & could come to other countries: http://www.ictworks.org/network/ictworks-network/337

Anibe Agamah: 13:27:30

yeah, Sheriff. get a reliable means of payments and half the job is done

Adebowale Ojo: 13:27:36

is anybody looking into d direction of an outsourcing site/venture OR do we have one already?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:27:39

@shola hold on.

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:27:39

The aggregated flights website is http://www.1spotsearch.com/

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:27:54

@Loy, where can I get more information

San Ng: 13:27:57

I know some Pakistanis who started a Virtual Assitant outsourcing firm (timesvr.com) and it has exploded re demand, provided lots of jobs for college level Pakistinis

Wayan Vota: 13:27:58

@Adebowale - outsourcing for what?

Anibe Agamah: 13:27:58

unfortunately for nigeria Wayan, ebay & paypal et al are very suspicious of our market

Anibe Agamah: 13:28:07

i dont see them coming near there anytime soon

JuJu: 13:28:33

this  is a new start-up in sierra leone (http://www.splash-cash.com/) that does mobile payments

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:28:45

@Anibe, if Ebay/Paypal are "suspicious", how come Google Checkout for shoppers accepts Nigeria?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:28:49

@Aribe. we have our own payment system. interswitch are killing a great chance

Loy Okezie: 13:29:00

<a href="http://www.gloword.com">www.gloword.com</a> and <a href="http://www.mainonecable.com">www.mainonecable.com</a>

Dejo Fabolude: 13:29:05

@shola  <a href="http://www.1SpotSearch.com">www.1SpotSearch.com</a>

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:29:13

@Loy, thanks

shola: 13:29:21

dejo thanks

Wayan Vota: 13:29:30

here's a great video on Nigerian ePayment opporuntires

Wayan Vota: 13:29:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnt8fMrZ0tc

San Ng: 13:29:32

I wonder if jumping onto the outsourcing market might be a possibility business opportunity? (eg. web development, Virtual assistants, animation, etc)

Anibe Agamah: 13:29:35

@Dejo - yeah interswitch is pretty much the de facto right?

Joel Patenaude: 13:29:43

I have a client in this space - VTN - Virtual Terminal Network

JuJu: 13:30:00

@san - a very good first step

Dejo Fabolude: 13:30:14

broadband is not the start and end of all. Nigerians thrive on privation. we can create low bandwidth high function apps eschewing all the bells and whistles. build for SMS

Adebowale Ojo: 13:30:16

@Wayan, must we wait for Paypal in Nigeria? Outsourcing Web

Loy Okezie: 13:30:31

@dej - how about etranzact?

Wayan Vota: 13:30:35

I love low-bandwidth apps, Dejo - they have usage outside of africa too

Joel Patenaude: 13:30:37

It's a cash funded version of PayPal

Dejo Fabolude: 13:30:49

yes, but the banks are rumbling the way of Visa.

Wayan Vota: 13:30:53

did you know that google created its webmail preview just for the African market

Anibe Agamah: 13:30:57

Loy, Glo-1 and Main-1 look very promising, i hope they live up to expectation

Wayan Vota: 13:31:04

but its used more by smartphone owners in the USA/Europe

Dejo Fabolude: 13:31:07

my bank is abandoning interswitch for visa

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:31:10

So does Paypal thrive in nigeria market?

Wayan Vota: 13:31:33

@Oluniyi can answer the epayments in Nigeria questions

Dejo Fabolude: 13:31:33

one opportunity that we are all missing is the blackberry app market.

Loy Okezie: 13:31:35

Anibe - they'd be sorry

Sheriff Shittu: 13:31:52

@saji paypal is not directly available to Nigerians

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:32:14

@Sheriff, thats strange, why?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:32:35

interswitch had this bill payment site and never grew it beyond four or five services.

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:32:36

@Sheriff, Nigerians in Nigeria or Nigerians everywhere

shola: 13:32:45

there were a couple of Recharge card selling sites a few years ago, most of them seem to have disappeard...

Sheriff Shittu: 13:32:58

it's only available in SA this week

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:33:03

@Shola, that is problem with sustainability

Sheriff Shittu: 13:33:11

http://simon.co.za/paypal-sa-launch/

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:33:13

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Dejo Fabolude: 13:33:22

it could have been a one stop shop for a huge number of services. i'[m shocked that ISPs don't use that kind of thing to get payments

Dejo Fabolude: 13:33:29

like DSTV does. and Zain.

Joel Patenaude: 13:33:41

Splashcash story here http://technology.cgap.org/2010/03/17/dispatch-from-sierra-leone-mobile-money-and-agent-incentives/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cgaptechnology+%28CGAP+Technology+Blog%29

shola: 13:33:45

@sagi my sentiments exactly

Anibe Agamah: 13:34:14

what a shame about interswitch Dej

Dejo Fabolude: 13:34:16

as well as the OVI store.

Joel Patenaude: 13:34:45

@saji - agree that sustained effort is the thing

San Ng: 13:34:50

How about creating and selling iphone or Andriod apps? $0.99 per app x 0000000s users? Are they any specific to Nigerian viz a viz Western needs? (I think, go global)

Wayan Vota: 13:34:53

Google Checkout now accepts Nigeria orders???!

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:35:00

So, what is going to make Nigeria the giant of Afirca online?

shola: 13:35:08

even blackberry app world does not support Nigeria

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:35:13

Google Checkout has always accepted orders from Nigeria.

shola: 13:35:21

how ever, i see opportunities in the blackberry space in Nigeria

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:35:23

Interswitch is a shameful failure.

Adebowale Ojo: 13:35:38

@Saj, the right question - what opportunity are we looking at now?

JuJu: 13:35:43

@joel - i'm from sierra leone -  my nigerian connection is through my gran parents

Loy Okezie: 13:35:46

San - some dudes showcased iphone apps at the Google Lagos code camp

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:35:53

@Shola, how many blackberry users are in Nigeria out of 150 mil?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:35:56

Google checkout has always accepted nigerian payments. just not our destinations.

Wayan Vota: 13:35:58

Q2: So, what is going to make Nigeria the giant of Afirca online?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:36:03

@shola. Ovi store does

codedft: 13:36:06

I'm in

Dejo Fabolude: 13:36:13

Android is the totally open product, but it's penetration is doubtful

codedft: 13:36:18

We should have about 100,000 blackberry users

Wayan Vota: 13:36:25

Q2: or has  Ghana or Kenya already pased Nigeria online?

San Ng: 13:36:25

@loy- cool, what do you think demand will be, especially global demand, for these and other mobile apps?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:36:26

a group like anabel should dump windows mobile and do android

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:36:46

2. Visibility - to let people know that we are out there both locally and internationally

Sheriff Shittu: 13:36:48

Q2: vibrant tech community, VCS, and long-term thinking on the developers side

shola: 13:37:01

- on blackberry , so many users , most posts on my timeline are posted from ubertwitter

deji_adepoju: 13:37:01

@wayan-we need to make our developemnt and effort tansparent to the outside world.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:37:10

@wayan my last comment on David Ajao's rejoinder is how do we measure "passing"

Dejo Fabolude: 13:37:17

not by pipes alone.

Loy Okezie: 13:37:22

san - think it's gonna be huge considering the number of mobile phone subscribers out there

Pamela: 13:37:25

Hi everyone. Sorry I am late entering this chat - My name is Pamela McLean http://www.dadamac.net/about/pam I am based in the UK and I work with John Dada http://www.dadamac.net/about/john who is in Kaduna State. Is it possible to see the archive of the chat from before I joined so I do not go over old ground?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:37:26

not by numbers alone.

Joel Patenaude: 13:37:28

Juju I don't know if the link I pasted was too long - article spoke of issues getting agents to honor electronic transfers

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:37:30

Q2: The fraud must be reduced drastically. There must be stable electric power. Those two factors are none-negotiable for growth.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:37:31

it has to be a mix of things.

Adebowale Ojo: 13:37:37

@Shola, I don't quite agree that we have so many blackberry users

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:37:39

I was at the mHealth conference in DC last year...presentations from Kenya, Rwanda, Ghana,...but Nigeria is truly behind

Loy Okezie: 13:37:47

but not sure iphone will get huge in nigeria

codedft: 13:38:02

Iphone will get huge

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:38:06

If you are a start-up in Nigeria, how visible are you in ICT conferences

codedft: 13:38:11

If networks stabilize their 3g networks

Loy Okezie: 13:38:20

Hi Pamela, welcome

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:38:26

I am not cool with comparing African countries. Each have their own unique set of challenges. Its almost as if we seek to knock their heads togther.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:38:29

@loy i cover the iphone tangentially in talking about the ipad. the economics don't work

Pamela: 13:38:31

thanks Loy

Anibe Agamah: 13:38:31

welcome Pamela

Adebowale Ojo: 13:38:43

@Saj, Health is my area of interest - I'm really looking that way

Dejo Fabolude: 13:38:56

Apple won't let it. Again i say android.

Wayan Vota: 13:38:59

Oluniyi - sometimes it takes competition for a country to wake up to the possibiites

Anibe Agamah: 13:39:26

I would personally favour andriod to breakthrough in Africa

Anibe Agamah: 13:39:31

cos of its open nature

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:39:47

@Wayan. Ah.

deji_adepoju: 13:39:52

@codedft-iphone, what is the cost,who need it, what fraction of the population-why not a typical java based smartphone.,

Wayan Vota: 13:39:57

I feel that Nigeria is slipping, but instead of focusing on taking the ICT lead she is adrift - maybe a Kenya or Ghana passing her for a moment is enough to re-focus

codedft: 13:40:18

@wayan, correct. We need adoption

Pamela: 13:40:20

I do not know about the iphone in Nigeria - but I have two contacts in rural Ago-Are (Oyo State) who use other phones to access the Internet

Wayan Vota: 13:40:27

I know that in my company business, when another company wins a contract, it focuses me like nothing else

deji_adepoju: 13:40:32

@wayan, back to your second question.

codedft: 13:40:36

But blame the illiteracy level in nigeria for the poor and slow adoption rate

Dejo Fabolude: 13:40:38

the easiest way for Android in Nigeria would be if Nokia adopted it. since they won't it's a lot tougher. it would require investment from the ground up. google should drive it.

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:40:40

@Oluniyi, I concur with Wayan, it's a wake-up call rather than competition focused

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:40:41

Well, Nigeria is on the brink of collapse right now. ICT issues doesn't seem to be the most urgent challenge at this time.

Wayan Vota: 13:40:46

lose a sale can be better than winning one - you are SO much sharper ont he next bid

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:41:18

"I hear you", people

Sheriff Shittu: 13:41:22

Q2: no doubt electricity is the Key! on the govt side, there is not dependable plan.. so for the developers how can we move on despite the challenges? exams registrations are everywhere people use them... if a startup can solve a problem ppl will defy the hurddles are use their service

Sheriff Shittu: 13:41:47

@wayan need links to get those with new version to enter the chat room

Wayan Vota: 13:41:52

electricity is an issue - generators are only a stop-gap, they cannot be a long term solution

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:42:18

@Sheriff, this is where innovation comes in. Nobody waits for goct. and get anything achieved

Wayan Vota: 13:42:18

Chat Link:  skype:?chat&blob=VHEQKldx_FeyIlg4tohnZ6WDcTeLsKo_TsQXV0JqriLqWb1Wj_GHM401NbEE_XEQENfxaLvrWPPZw0eyCL5MHyL_1lFOqSD3-_I63ohs_QkpvQ9Ht5JtwA8l4ULjs9SLlQoLkgG4-qyuWyQwLqy9lAs

Dejo Fabolude: 13:42:55

@oluniyi. maybe on the brink. but ICT is a tool that like other tools can help pull back.

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:42:56

Everybody has a mobile phone and they are making calls despite electricity problem, the deal is to innovate past the problem

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:43:05

@Saji, I agree about not waiting for gov't. The best innovations are lead by the private sector. Govt support is only an icing on the cake.

Adebowale Ojo: 13:43:13

@Sheriff, u mean the problem of electricity or exams registration?

Sheriff Shittu: 13:43:18

@saji and thats wat am talkin abt

Wayan Vota: 13:43:24

@Saji - exactly!  Problem = opportunity for $$

Dejo Fabolude: 13:43:26

my most hated phrase "government should.."

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:43:36

@Dejo, I love that...

codedft: 13:43:39

The question should be what percentage of mobile users in Nigeria, actually access Data

shola: 13:43:41

lol @ dejo

Dejo Fabolude: 13:43:47

@saji. spot on.

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:43:52

As innovators, we should be consulting for the govt, not waiting for them

codedft: 13:43:55

I feel nigerians developers should focus on sms and ussd applications

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:43:59

@Dejo, how can ICT pull Nigeria out of the current political mess. I insist that the political problems need to be fixed first.

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:44:07

sorry what is ussd?

Joel Patenaude: 13:44:09

Ten scariest words - I'm from the government and I'm here to help you

Dejo Fabolude: 13:44:10

Ushahidi shows the power of the lowly sms message

San Ng: 13:44:19

@Saji- ditto! Maybe the electricity business is the way to go (first)

Wayan Vota: 13:44:26

Olumiyi  look at Somolia - no governemnt and they don;t have issues with ICT

Joel Patenaude: 13:44:26

Ushahidi is terific

Loy Okezie: 13:44:42

Nice one, Dej.

Wayan Vota: 13:44:48

they have an amzing mobile phone and ePayment and online community, w/o any sembalce of govment

Dejo Fabolude: 13:44:48

@codeft multi-tiered apps. web, sms, desktop. get everyone involved

Sheriff Shittu: 13:44:56

@adebowale despite the elecity problem exam registration is working fine.. if you innovate, people will find means to use ur service irrespective.

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:45:16

@Wayan, please re-phrase your reference to Somalia. Are you saying they are ok IT-wise? That would be ridiculous.

Loy Okezie: 13:45:19

@Joel - Lol

Anibe Agamah: 13:45:20

Agreed Saji

San Ng: 13:45:22

It might help, as entrepreneurs to think of the market not as a Nigerian market, but a global market, sell products and skills where the demand is

Loy Okezie: 13:45:56

Guys, how about inverters? Do u need government aid/support for that?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:45:59

@san absolutely

Anibe Agamah: 13:46:04

you would think that with all the "nepa" blacout, and constant heat

Chloe Feinberg: 13:46:06

@San, I agree. If you are creating a solution, it shoudl be workable across borders

Anibe Agamah: 13:46:14

nigeria would be a leader in solar energy by now

Adebowale Ojo: 13:46:17

@San Ng, but we've have to solve local problems first

Dejo Fabolude: 13:46:36

@san i deliberately chose a "scalable" name for my blog - no naija or nigeria in it.

Anibe Agamah: 13:46:46

time to start thinking of alternative ways of driving our economic energy needs

Loy Okezie: 13:46:50

@San - I totally agree with that

codedft: 13:46:59

Nigeria's major problem is the illetracy level

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:47:02

@Anibe, you would think nigeria should be leading solar energy but... The innovators in solar energy are the people who have electricity 24 hours,

San Ng: 13:47:10

@adebowale- maybe it is not which is first, but more a symbiotic relationship- both moves together

Dejo Fabolude: 13:47:26

if we make money from abroad we can invest it on local problems. still i agree we should figure out how to use ict to solve our problems. like electios.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:47:31

elections i menat

Dejo Fabolude: 13:47:34

i meant

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:47:55

@Codedft, that is right, let's make people know that crisis is a good opportunity to make $$$$

Adebowale Ojo: 13:48:21

@Dejo - I think Gbenga Sesan is coming up with something on elections, but don't have full details..

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:48:21

Good one with using ICT to solve election problems but what power do we have to force INEC to use ICT tools in a bid to minimize fraud?

Joel Patenaude: 13:48:23

@San -- When I am in Nigeria I see tremendous opportunity but I also see short term -- take money TODAY mentality.  Investment is needed, patience, diligence, hard work.  Takes time to grow legs

codedft: 13:48:25

There's still a market share to tap and make money

deji_adepoju: 13:48:26

@dejo-Good election, lead to good representation on government.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:48:31

lets use crisis to innovate to solve problems. solving problems will EVENTUALLY lead to moeny.

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:48:50

1. Education, 2. Energy, 3. Government, 4. ... I am tyring to see the ssectors we ahve touched

Chloe Feinberg: 13:48:53

@Dejo, there is a lot of potential for the diaspora to lead the investments in the needed sectors, they can link their global reach with the local entrepreneurs on the ground to implement

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:48:56

@Dejo. Amen.

Joel Patenaude: 13:48:56

@Dejo  YES

Sheriff Shittu: 13:49:29

@cloe gr8 there!

Sheriff Shittu: 13:49:35

@chloe *

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:49:46

@Chloe, I am in the diaspora, the diasporans need to know the needs of the people on ground in nigeria

Adebowale Ojo: 13:50:08

what do you then think are our problems in Nigeria - where an ICT solution can provide lasting solution..

Dejo Fabolude: 13:50:29

let's see nigeria as the wild wild west. pioneers need to load up the wagons and drive into the frontier. until we do this, we are stuck crowded in the east

Sheriff Shittu: 13:50:39

really... we may want to look at this; innovations that comes with focus on hunger dont last; innovations that comes from solving problem last. I think our techies needs to think long-term

Chloe Feinberg: 13:50:39

@Saji what tools or networks do you use to find that information re: needs?

Wayan Vota: 13:51:08

[aside - the .ng registrar I know of is Kayode Muyibi (kayode.muyibi on skype) ]

San Ng: 13:51:09

@Joel, I agree. Also, there is a tendency to do what the next person is doing in business until the market is oversaturated- I think that in today's online world, the way out is to innovate and globalize (not copy locally)

Dejo Fabolude: 13:51:20

single biggest need from an ict perspective IMHO is demographic information of top quality

codedft: 13:51:41

More and more consumers are growing accustomed to using their mobile phones as their main, and sometimes only, device for the majority of their communications for personal and business use

San Ng: 13:51:45

(Wayan- you rock! )

Sheriff Shittu: 13:52:16

the future really is hyperlocal... think local but serve global!

codedft: 13:52:18

Although baby boomers (45 years old and over) still prefer computers over mobile phones (51% versus 21% respectively), Gen Yers (18 – 24 years old) prefer their mobile phones over their computers (47% versus 38% respectively) according to Accenture

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:52:21

Abeg! What is IMHO?

Joel Patenaude: 13:52:34

In my humble opinion

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:52:36

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

Dejo Fabolude: 13:52:38

in my humble opinion

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:52:46

ok. Thanks

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:53:08

codedft...thanks...folks those statistics are very important

Pamela: 13:53:08

@Sherigg Shittu - agreed

Loy Okezie: 13:53:12

Sherrif -  "think local, go global" happens to be our byline at Startups Nigeria;-)

Dejo Fabolude: 13:53:16

with that info you can really target. so that's a businees opp right there

Pamela: 13:53:34

and that ties in with diaspora link mentioned earlier

Joel Patenaude: 13:53:47

@Dejo - could you expand on the need for demographics?

Sheriff Shittu: 13:54:00

so what is going to make nigeria giant of Africa... 1..?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:54:16

codedft. those numbers are upside down in nigeria. everyone is mobile.

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:54:35

Data from intl. organizations (WHO, UNESCO, World Bank, etc) doing various e-pilots in Nigeria is very impt. They give clues to what is missing and entrepreneurs can fill the gap

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:54:37

@Dejo. I agree.

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:54:49

Most even carry more than one phone in Nigeria.

Adebowale Ojo: 13:54:52

Nigerian Internet Business Opportunities - I think we shouldn't drift away 4rm that...

Dejo Fabolude: 13:54:53

you need market insight to get your produyct right

codedft: 13:55:02

We have a population of 150m and less dan half are mobile

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:55:05

So, if everyone is mobile, why not focus on mobile (mApps)?

Wayan Vota: 13:55:09

So what is going to make nigeria giant of Africa??

Sheriff Shittu: 13:55:15

@dejo and that is the aim and purpose of webtrendsng.com

Dejo Fabolude: 13:55:31

case in point. there is a blackberry demographic in nigeria. most of them have some form of credit card. they are always online. what can you give them

codedft: 13:55:31

Most mobile users, depend on cdma phones. These phones are black and white and don't have a mobile browser

Sheriff Shittu: 13:55:35

1. Developers should think of solving local problems with tech

Sheriff Shittu: 13:55:44

2. dev should think long term

Dejo Fabolude: 13:55:49

then there is the text message demographic. what can you give them?

shola: 13:55:57

@codedft are you based in Nigeria ?

Loy Okezie: 13:56:01

@Wayan - Mobile Telecoms & Mobile Apps

Sheriff Shittu: 13:56:05

3. innovator as you move on...persistent beta is the key

codedft: 13:56:16

@shollsman, yes I am based in nigeria

Sheriff Shittu: 13:56:21

innovate* i mean

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:56:30

@Wayan, @Sheriff, thinkers should come together and solve one problem @ a time. If the "already established" are merging to be more stronger, I don think startups shoud be going solo...

San Ng: 13:56:49

How about this idea: I know people who have needs for programmers. They make from $75 to $125 per hour for design to coding. If I suggest an outsourced business: ie we pay Nigerians (I don't know, say, $20 an hour), do you think this can be a possible business idea, and scalable? (Skills: web design, development, Joomla, Druple, Ruby on rails, etc)

codedft: 13:56:55

These cdma phones are low end, low quality and cost about 1,500 naira. Majority of nigerian mobile users, user low end mobile handsets

Dejo Fabolude: 13:57:04

@saji. innovation by commitee doesn't work.'

Sheriff Shittu: 13:57:09

at Barcamps (which we hope to hold twice this year) we wanna to create room for synergy,...

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:57:20

@San, we need to access those skills first.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:57:35

@san you are right. that's the go global perspective. that's india's story

Wayan Vota: 13:57:36

Barkcamp Nigeria: http://www.ictworks.org/network/ictworks-network/331

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 13:57:36

Skills abound in Nigeria

San Ng: 13:57:54

@Saji- yes, I think that getting good people and skills is most crucial- so how about a traning business first, to get those skills up?

Dejo Fabolude: 13:58:00

everyone trying to one up each other does

Dejo Fabolude: 13:58:08

look at the universe of twitter apps.

Dejo Fabolude: 13:58:33

simple platform, extreme innovation on top as people extend each other's ideas

Saji Ijiyemi: 13:58:35

@Dejo, Innovation is by individual, execution might need extra hands. If you want to grow incrementally, you go solo, if you want to grow exponentially, you collaborate

Sheriff Shittu: 13:58:55

@saji gr8 point!

Dejo Fabolude: 13:59:17

@saji actually you go tyrant ala steve jobs.

Loy Okezie: 13:59:20

nice one, saji

shola: 13:59:22

@Saji  - its difficult to collaborate fulltime

codedft: 13:59:30

We need to be on the ball in Nigeria. We already having a large blackberry demograph in nigeria, if I may ask, how many of our developers can develop a blackberry application?

shola: 14:00:00

@codedft true story

Sheriff Shittu: 14:00:03

@codeedft second that..

Dejo Fabolude: 14:00:07

@codedft. not on the radar. the store is not available

shola: 14:00:14

or how do we know the developers that can develop blackberry applications?

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 14:00:16

@Saji, issues with ego make collaboration among Nigerians difficult.

Sheriff Shittu: 14:00:18

www.mytruespot.com creat one

Joel Patenaude: 14:00:22

@shola -- then do it part time

San Ng: 14:00:29

(anyway, I'm kinda serious about the outsourcing idea- so if anyone is interested to discuss more, ping me offline ok?)

codedft: 14:00:34

Mytruepsot outsourced theirs

codedft: 14:00:39

And its not even an application perse

shola: 14:00:46

@joel, @san. there's involvment and there's commitment

shola: 14:01:04

individuals can and should start the revolution

San Ng: 14:01:16

@shola, meaning...? can you say more?

Sheriff Shittu: 14:01:18

yea..

Dejo Fabolude: 14:01:21

another issue is the dynamic of the techie and the businessman

Dejo Fabolude: 14:01:36

the techie can do the tech, but a businessman can do the strategy.

Saji Ijiyemi: 14:01:37

@All, I will suggest that we start building these skills in Nigeria by suggesting to universitites, secondary schools that students should do internship on building ICT skills in various economic sectors

shola: 14:01:40

im saying, we dont need to wait to solve a problem as agroup

JuJu: 14:01:41

 @san - best to focus on a few things.  can we do an african focused site like ehow?

shola: 14:01:48

each person can solve the problem he sees

Dejo Fabolude: 14:01:49

it is not often that they are one and the same.

Sheriff Shittu: 14:01:58

@shola.. I have seen some startups that have failed to move bcos of too many team members... one person should fire on... others catche the fire and we'll have wild fire

Loy Okezie: 14:01:59

@saji - true

shola: 14:02:19

@sherrif.. thats what i mean

Joel Patenaude: 14:02:24

@shola  Very true.  To make real progress means people putting in money, keeping transparent books, contributing time "wholesale"

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 14:02:24

lol @ "wild fire"

codedft: 14:02:40

What we need in nigeria. Imformation spread is killing us

Saji Ijiyemi: 14:02:51

This way, we will build the future...

Dejo Fabolude: 14:03:01

@shola I agree, but there is also the vision problem. why do we have half a dozen twitter clones that do exactly the same as twitter?

codedft: 14:03:13

There are so many wonderful start-ups in Nigeria, solving lots of problems, but the information on these startups are not spreading far and wide

San Ng: 14:03:22

@dejo, yes, I agree. Don't copy, innovate and go bl

San Ng: 14:03:28

global, sorry

Dejo Fabolude: 14:03:51

@san actually, with the internet economy, i advocate "embrace and extend".

Saji Ijiyemi: 14:03:56

Guys, I need to leave. It was great talking to y'all. Will anyone be knid to summarize the points? Thanks

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 14:04:26

What can be done to spread the information about Nigerian startups far-and-wide?

Sheriff Shittu: 14:04:26

@dejo yea "embrace and extend" that's be open to great idea but make it greater but thinking outside the box

Dejo Fabolude: 14:04:29

i have a few ideas of stuff that can be built on the twitter API

San Ng: 14:04:31

Nice chatting, Saji!

shola: 14:04:37

i like what startups NIgerian is doing so far

Loy Okezie: 14:04:38

@codedft - tht's probably cos a lot of tech blogs/newspapers are yet to spread the word abiut those startups

codedft: 14:04:49

We need to stop copying, and focus on products we need. We already have twitter, so we don't need a twitter for nigerians, instead of creating a twitter clone for nigerians, why can't you create an education platform for nigerian students to get sample test questions online

shola: 14:05:27

@guys.. in as much as i dont support cloning

shola: 14:05:31

its not a bad idea altogether

Dejo Fabolude: 14:05:38

@codedft that's because we are not yet at the point that pure web services can have that level of penetration. there has to be real time engagement.

codedft: 14:05:40

Focus on what's necessary, and stop thinking of just how to monetize it, but rather solve a problem

Loy Okezie: 14:05:41

@shola - well, startups nigeria could have done more and better

shola: 14:05:47

there's studvs in germany fighting head to head wit facebook

Dejo Fabolude: 14:05:51

how many startups advertise on radio tv and print?

shola: 14:06:00

and the google / baidu / china story

Dejo Fabolude: 14:06:22

copy can work. no doubt, but you need to add the local oomph

codedft: 14:06:22

@fabolude, any startup that does that, will run @ a loss.

Loy Okezie: 14:06:30

@Dej - it's not that easy to advertise...best to keep startup costs low

Sheriff Shittu: 14:06:45

@code exactly!

Dejo Fabolude: 14:06:54

i agree, but if your customers don't know you exist, then ...

shola: 14:06:56

@startups nigeria can have a column in these papers

Sheriff Shittu: 14:06:58

but think abt it... online is the best to advertise an online business...

codedft: 14:06:59

We need to sign deals and partnerships, to advertise in print,tv and radio for startups in nigeria, is almost impossible, but why not sign an agreement with these media bodies

Sheriff Shittu: 14:07:05

call to action is instant!

Pamela: 14:07:08

@ Oluniyi D. Ajao: (What can be done to spread the information about Nigerian startups far-and-wide? )Do you want link to a group in London to connect businesses - British African Federation?

Dejo Fabolude: 14:07:15

yes. a little creative.

Loy Okezie: 14:07:18

@shola - great idea

Joel Patenaude: 14:07:21

@Dejo -- how many startups are bootstrapping?   Marketing costs like TV, radio, print are out of sight.

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 14:07:30

@Pamela, why not?

Joel Patenaude: 14:07:56

Why not start a busines selling remnant ad space in Nigeria?

Dejo Fabolude: 14:08:20

case in point. if you do online ticket sales. why not offer to do an event's ticketing for free. i.e. not pay for the ticketrs, but make the tech available and ride on it for free ads.

Dejo Fabolude: 14:08:24

creativity my friends.

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 14:08:27

Advertising on radio/tv for dotcoms is not really cost-effective

Loy Okezie: 14:08:28

@pamela - that'll be great

Sheriff Shittu: 14:08:32

@joel segiri ... is a stealth project lookin into that!

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 14:08:35

unless you are an ISP

Dejo Fabolude: 14:08:56

creativity extends not just to your tech, but how you get the word out

Wayan Vota: 14:09:00

a little advertising from your sponsor: http://www.facebook.com/ICTworks

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 14:09:09

:-)

Sheriff Shittu: 14:09:20

:)

Dejo Fabolude: 14:09:42

like i said the coders and the suits need to work together

shola: 14:09:51

@dejo true

Wayan Vota: 14:09:54

And I welcome anyone here to post on our wall or directly on ICTworks here: http://www.ictworks.org/node/add/forum/97

Wayan Vota: 14:10:25

Dejo - I try to bring coders and NGO people together each month in a Technology Salon

Dejo Fabolude: 14:10:33

word of mouth is great advertising. the freemium model. the prestige model.

Wayan Vota: 14:10:49

Very simple idea - interesting topic, invites to NGO & Coders, and free snack foods - donuts

Wayan Vota: 14:11:01

http://technologysalon.org/

Wayan Vota: 14:11:45

I coud see this in Lagos or Abuja - in person coder & business meetings

Dejo Fabolude: 14:11:48

if you sell service. why not give away freebies to people if they bring in a certain number of others.

San Ng: 14:11:58

@Wayan- you know, to us Californians, dounuts is a East Coast junk food <ss type="wink">;)</ss>

Chloe Feinberg: 14:12:01

I can vouch for the technologysalon's being great for getting people from different camps to talk to each other

Sheriff Shittu: 14:12:02

referral bizmodels

Wayan Vota: 14:12:05

its how the Homebrew Computer Club started and look what came of that (apple, Miscorscot, Intel, etc)

Joel Patenaude: 14:12:13

I also need to leave.   Thanks Wayan    Sherriff -- interested to learn more about stealth op.  A plug for my 2 favorites http://www.vc4africa.com/ and  https://www.virtualterminalnetwork.com/

Dejo Fabolude: 14:12:15

like the free tech magazine people who when they sign you up then ask you to invite your friends

codedft: 14:12:26

Collaboration from nigerian developers is KEY. Make everything open

Pamela: 14:12:38

http://www.britishafrican.org/

Dejo Fabolude: 14:12:44

yes referals

Adebowale Ojo: 14:13:02

are we still on... electricity went off

Sheriff Shittu: 14:13:07

@joel

Loy Okezie: 14:13:10

thanks for the link pamela

shola: 14:13:20

wow, lots of links .. someone had better compile them for us :)

Sheriff Shittu: 14:13:20

u can link up with me on FB http://facebook.com/possicon

Anibe Agamah: 14:13:29

off this chat for now, great to be partially part of it

Dejo Fabolude: 14:13:50

@anibe <ss type="smile">:)</ss>

Loy Okezie: 14:13:58

just joined the group on linkedin

Anibe Agamah: 14:14:02

thanks Wayan & co for organising

Chloe Feinberg: 14:14:15

here's a link to all of the Fellows Ashoka supports in Nigeria, http://ashoka.org/search/fellows?country=NI&

Dejo Fabolude: 14:14:19

@loy what group?

Loy Okezie: 14:14:22

cheers, anibe

Sheriff Shittu: 14:14:23

@ adebowale lolz! #lightupnigeria

Loy Okezie: 14:14:40

British African Federation

Anibe Agamah: 14:14:43

See you iLoy <ss type="wink">;)</ss>

Loy Okezie: 14:15:23

Anibe <ss type="wink">;-)</ss>

Wayan Vota: 14:15:31

Everyone - this is a good time to end the official Nigeria Online Business Opportunity Chat - feel free to continue talking as long as you want though

Sheriff Shittu: 14:15:47

really extending beyond our online comfort is key... get to work... roll our sleeves, talk less (until beta is ready), work more

shola: 14:15:48

@wayan.. when is the next chat

Wayan Vota: 14:15:54

Please be sure to exchange contacts with those that interest you

Dejo Fabolude: 14:15:57

Thanks for putting this together Wayan.

Sheriff Shittu: 14:16:05

@wayan tnx

JuJu: 14:16:10

bye

Sheriff Shittu: 14:16:16

hey

Dejo Fabolude: 14:16:22

not sure to grab contacts.

Wayan Vota: 14:16:24

For more info on the next chat, be sure to subscribe to ICTworks - http://www.ictworks.org/

Sheriff Shittu: 14:16:31

guys register for barcamnigeria 2010 here http://barcampnigeria.com/register

codedft: 14:16:38

We need some sort of credit and thrift society in nigeria for techies, individuals should pull resources together, we give these funds to startup founders, and we get equity in these startups

Wayan Vota: 14:16:39

we're on Twitter, facebook, and the oldschool web too ;)

Loy Okezie: 14:16:41

@Wayan - we didn't answer the other questions, did we?

Dejo Fabolude: 14:17:16

Juju, shola, codedft, true. not used to skype chat, will the transcripts keep the contact info?

Wayan Vota: 14:17:20

@Loy - we answered what we could

Sheriff Shittu: 14:17:22

@loy scroll up

Wayan Vota: 14:17:37

we will have a transcript of this chat posted in a few hours

codedft: 14:17:40

U can contact me anytime contact@propertiesng.com

codedft: 14:17:52

www.facebook.com/codedft

Loy Okezie: 14:17:57

Ok then...

Sheriff Shittu: 14:18:01

good to have you Codedft

San Ng: 14:18:02

Thanks Wayan, and everyone else!! Nice &apos;meeting&apos; all of you! <a href="http://www.sanng.com">www.sanng.com</a>

deji_adepoju: 14:18:15

best regads to all.

Sheriff Shittu: 14:18:22

at san gr8 to have u here

Loy Okezie: 14:18:24

It's been a nice discussion here

Sheriff Shittu: 14:18:31

http://facebook.com/possicon  link up with me

Oluniyi D. Ajao: 14:18:33

I have to go now people. Enjoy your evening. www.davidajao.com

Dejo Fabolude: 14:18:33

@codedft. you follow me on twitter.

Adebowale Ojo: 14:18:35

ok all, lets see if I can compile the links here  ..http://naijawebgeek.com

Loy Okezie: 14:18:35

Thanks Wayan, for setting this up

Saji Ijiyemi: 14:19:00

@HealthIT_Africa for those who want to link up with Saji. Thanks

Wayan Vota: 14:19:12

for all those that will be writing about this event or posting links, please let me know so I can have a master list of all the related posts on ICTworks

Dejo Fabolude: 14:19:12

<a href="http://twitter.com/the_dej">http://twitter.com/the_dej</a>.

Adebowale Ojo: 14:19:17

watch out ... <a href="http://naijawebgeek.com">http://naijawebgeek.com</a>

Wayan Vota: 14:19:20

wayan@inveneo.org

Loy Okezie: 14:19:26

Follow me via @loyokezie

Sheriff Shittu: 14:19:34

http://webtrendsng.com  more insight and analysis... separating the business from the buzz and charting the course

Saji Ijiyemi: 14:19:34

Saji: http://twitter.com/HealthIT_Africa

Dejo Fabolude: 14:19:35

<a href="http://www.digital-crossings.com">www.digital-crossings.com</a>

Wayan Vota: 14:19:39

http://twitter.com/ict_works

codedft: 14:19:41

Thanks Wayan, this was a great opportunity

Adebowale Ojo: 14:19:50

@Saji; 'll definitely lilnk up with u, I'm really interested in Health

Sheriff Shittu: 14:19:55

@wayan ok

shola: 14:19:57

http://www.twitter.com/shollsman

Loy Okezie: 14:19:59

<a href="http://twitter.com/startupsnigeria">http://twitter.com/startupsnigeria</a> also

Dejo Fabolude: 14:20:08

@saji, @san?

Adebowale Ojo: 14:20:09

<a href="http://twitter.com/naijawebgeek">http://twitter.com/naijawebgeek</a>

Saji Ijiyemi: 14:20:16

@Adebowale...no prb...lets be in touch..our best is yet to come

San Ng: 14:20:22

(and of course, anyone interested in ICTLaw, please ping me too - it's lonely here)

Chloe Feinberg: 14:20:29

http://twitter.com/chloevdc and cfeinberg@ashoka.org

Loy Okezie: 14:20:37

or <a href="http://www.loyokezie.com">www.loyokezie.com</a>

Pamela: 14:20:55

Loy - how can I contact you direct?

San Ng: 14:20:55

@Dejo, huh?

San Ng: 14:21:04

<ss type="smile">:)</ss>

Sheriff Shittu: 14:21:04

good to have u here chloe

Dejo Fabolude: 14:21:09

contact

Pamela: 14:21:20

i'm pamela.mclean@dadamac.net

Chloe Feinberg: 14:21:24

Glad I could make it Sheriff, hope to connect again soon

Loy Okezie: 14:21:25

@Pamela - <a href="mailto:loy.okezie@gmail.com">loy.okezie@gmail.com</a>

Dejo Fabolude: 14:21:31

how do i save the transcript?

San Ng: 14:21:32

san at sanng.com hope to hear from you!

Sheriff Shittu: 14:21:37

www.facebook.com/possicon is my ID

shola: 14:21:47

@loy expect my email too. we're launching next week

Sheriff Shittu: 14:21:53

@pamela good to have u here

Loy Okezie: 14:22:07

Sure, shola. Bring it on

codedft: 14:22:29

It was great hanging out with all ye lovers of nigeria tech industry

Pamela: 14:22:38

@Sheriff Shittu Thank you

codedft: 14:22:40

May God crown all our efforts with success.

Sheriff Shittu: 14:22:57

amen!

Sheriff Shittu: 14:23:06

@pam linkup on on FB

codedft: 14:23:14

Pls post a transcript of this conference chat + the links. Thank you

Pamela: 14:23:33

Hmm - I hate FB ;-)

Sheriff Shittu: 14:23:40

@san gr8

Sheriff Shittu: 14:23:47

lolz!

Pamela: 14:23:51

Any other options?

Sheriff Shittu: 14:23:53

ur site is gr8

Chloe Feinberg: 14:24:00

we will post a transcipt and will include the links that have been provided today

Sheriff Shittu: 14:24:03

http://twitter.com/possicon

Chloe Feinberg: 14:24:12

it will be posted on ICTworks

Dejo Fabolude: 14:24:19

it's been a pleasure talking to everyone.

Sheriff Shittu: 14:24:22

ok